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in teenagers they've found that the nucleus acumen portion of the frontal cortex which is responsible for motivating reward seeking behavior over a long term, is underdeveloped. this means that to achieve rewards (which the immaturity of the region suggests would have to be past the "adult" threshold of rewarding) or the feeling of something being rewarded the most common behavior is something which is extremely stimulating and thrilling as opposed to more subtle rewards, and requires minimum effort. so sex, drugs and rock and roll it is. everything seems hard, and not much seems worth it. sounds about right. sad news is, this part matures, and you can't help but become boring adults who gain pleasure from watering their plants every morning.
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minnesota_chris
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reward seeking behavior? I thought that's all that teenagers thought about.
Or maybe they're just not good at seeking it, and that's why they whine all day about how bored they are? I'm confused.
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i KNEW i was regressing!
i thought this thread was about comfort ruts.
"i want to be bored"
~secretary
i think it can be taken more than one way
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no no no. they have a less subtle threshold for acceptable rewards. that's one part of that part of the brain's immaturity. the next part is that they aren't willing to put out as much effort, especially long term effort without short term rewards. in short, they don't have the patience for a lot of activities adults find rewarding. after all, we're ALL reward seeking. but at that stage in development the brain needs much more intense and constant stimulation because it hasn't developed the sensitivity it has in adults. i hope this clarified it for you.
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minnesota_chris
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mmm, I think I'm starting to understand. We find more and more ways of having fun, as we get older. More ways of getting pleasure. Very true.
I was going to disagree with you, based on an anecdote about some polar explorers or ice climbers or whatnot. Anyways, most of these people were the thirty-something hiker types, with their Columbia jackets. One was old old, like 70 or so. One guy said that he was kind of groaning to himself, thinking the old guy would slow them down.
But, one time he was close to falling down a crevass, all the younger people were just staring at him, like "My God, he's going to totally die, and I'm going to see it." Everybody except the old guy, who was putting his big hand down to rescue him.
Old people don't mind making sacrifices, even risking their lives. And maybe that's a joy that people learn: philanthropy, altruism, self-sacrifice.
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i don't see how that would be a disagreement. the young people were more concerned with the sensationalism, and the old person saw the reward in preserving a life for tomorrow and the day after. it's cave living to city living (assuming you learn there's a distinction, a worthwhile distinction.)
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minnesota_chris
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it started out as a disagreement, that old people weren't reward seeking. But it is a kind of reward, isn't it?
(that was a statement in the form of a question, Alex)
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Leakey decided that the one reason that humans became dominant as a species is that they care for one another. (He saw a fossil with a healed leg fracture.)
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