|
| |
your_vote_counts
|
|
|
Lemon_Soda
|
www.maps.google.com/vote
Get registered. The deadline is days away.
|
081003
|
| |
... |
|
|
frou frou
|
don't tell me what to do!
|
081003
|
| |
... |
|
|
tourist
|
Even if you don't trust or believe in Either of the two main parties, you should still cast a vote for one of the "other" parties, Green, Independent, Libertarian, Communist, Whatever. To Not Vote at all is to put control squarely in the camp of the vocal Minority. The Idea that to vote for an outsider candidate is "throwing away" your vote is a lie. Your candidate might not stand a snowballs chance in Hell of being elected, but whenever a vote is cast that doesn't go to the Two Party System little flags go up and the TPS starts looking at why They didn't get that Vote. As a result they begin to modify their rhetoric to reflect the values that the lost votes represented thereby bringing about change. The only vote that is Thrown Away is the Vote Uncast.
I personally am planning on a "No Confidence" vote myself, even If I Write In Ron Paul.
|
081003
|
| |
... |
|
|
dafremen
|
I admire, to some extent the notion of voting your conscience as opposed to..voting for the guy who thinks closest to you who stands a chance of winning.
However, there is something fundamentally wrong with the process itself. I don't agree with its methods, its direction or the premise upon which it currently operates.
That's why I've taken to saying lately that "Noncompliance is the only vote that counts."
What I mean by this is that for as long as we do what we're told in direct contradiction to what we believe is right, we will continue to be treated like a herd. In a way, although each of us individually may not think of ourselves as sheep, for as long as we follow instructions and allow force to be used against us along with the illusory power of the "rule of law", we have no power. No say unless we agree with the status quo.
I think that although logistically it would be difficult to get everyone to stop complying...ideally there is a great power in acts of civil disobedience. What's to stop us from going about our business without giving our money to the State? Nothing. Big business wouldn't let the infrastructure go to shit if we stopped paying taxes.
On the contrary, big business benefits the MOST from the infrastructure and from the rule of law.
So my vote this year will be to disobey where I disagree and where I can get away with it...and when we finally can afford that video camera..it will be to disobey regardless of the consequences..even when I CAN'T get away with it. I'm not speaking necessarily of lawlessness in the way that we have come to think of it.
I believe strongly that people CAN function outside of the law. We have our own laws, dictated to us by conscience..and we have a great power, and indeed a responsibility to choose the dictates of our conscience OVER the dictates of laws which contradict our conscience.
"And what of those who have no conscience?", some might ask. If you think about it, those folks hide behind law or ignore law. They either act outside of the law, or they do what they can to use the law to aid their conscienceless efforts. Like throwing a family out on the street..because the law says they can. Or robbing a thousand people of their livelihoods...because the law can't stop them.
But voting...voting enables them to blame YOU for what happens. If you vote..you were a part of the process and are therefore told that you're responsible when things go wrong. "Hey! You voted for the bastard."
That's a lie. You voted for what he said he'd do...not what he actually did. If you look at the history of our country..and again I agree with the opinions stated here..we have basically ping ponged back and forth between two parties for more than a century. Each party claims to be the party of change. No party has ever REALLY changed much for the better. On the contrary, both parties have done what they could to ensure their monopoly over the political process.
And if you think that a third party candidate (which if you're going to vote anyway...I strongly suggest you vote for) is going to change anything, then you're ignoring the fact that for damned near 150 years, the Republican and Democratic parties have been packing Congress and the Supreme Court. One term is what your third party candidate would be allowed. One ineffective term in office..mainly to ensure that the "fluke" never happened again.
Noncompliance is the new vote. Rule by the people, restored by the people doing what the people feel is right..is ultimately the only answer.
Too bad we've been so isolated and divided from one another for so long.
|
081003
|
| |
... |
|
|
hsg
|
that's like saying, "press a button on your remote_control to choose your education."
that's my vote.
what we're left with is all the people who vote are the ones naive enough to think it matters.
but it's_all_good because this_is_just_a_ride.
|
081003
|
| |
... |
|
|
voq
|
the man who is not concerned with politics is like the man who is drowning but is not concerned with water.
|
081003
|
| |
... |
|
|
The Cynic.
|
symbolically, that is.
|
081003
|
| |
... |
|
|
dafremen
|
Choosing to act as you will is self rule. It IS politics stripped down to its purest form. What we are concerning ourselves with these days is...WHO will rule us? Why...WE should rule us..each of us as his or her conscience dictates.
|
081003
|
| |
... |
|
|
Lemon_Soda
|
What we need are some basic guidelines for coexistence that is enforced by the morality of the people involved instead of an institution.
|
081009
|
| |
... |
|
|
frou frou
|
most people are influenced highly by institutionalized religion. i sure as hell don't want them having a say in my morals...
|
081009
|
| |
... |
|
|
Lemon_Soda
|
Like I said, get rid of the institutions.
|
081009
|
| |
... |
|
|
tourist
|
In an enviroment where you have to pay to sit down and where all productive land is Held Hostage by the system at large, we are of nessessity forced into selling off our time to exist with any level of comfort.
I agree philosophicaly with the Ghandian Ideal, but as another was reported to have once said, "The Spirit is Willing, But the Flesh is Weak."
Unless I am willing to live as a Homeless Freegan or move out on the periphery as a Self sufficiant Survivalist, I don't see how to escape Eviction, Starvation or Imprisonment.
When I was still Young I would Do this for months at a time, but Now I no longer have the stamina.
Go For It My Brother, I Will Never Fault You For Your Idealism.
But the Fact that You Are HERE on these pages (unless of course you are logging on from a public Library) tells me that You are living at some level of comfort provided by the collective at large, not pulling your livelyhood out of the untilled soil with a stone axe. And even though Government Interference in our lives IS an Odious thing, I Don't Really See A Corporate Master Would Be Any Lighter With The Whip.
|
081009
|
| |
... |
|
|
unhinged
|
the arugula_eating_elitist could lose as many as six points on election day because of his race
there is supposedly election day registration in my state but the state attorney general who just also happens to be involved in john mccain's campaign is suing the state for current registration practices. a very important reason republicans keep winning presidential elections in the 21st century: voter/registration fraud.
interestingly enough my favorite local (and FREE) paper investigated the attorney general's registration based on his lawsuit and his own vote/registration would come into question because of the inconsistent use of initials in his name for residence purposes. they also pointed out that he himself used the election day registration in the last election because he moved. the exclusion of the common citizen in federal politics 230 years later is repulsive.
money=power=politics
always has
always will
your_voice means nothing
if you don't have the cash to back it up
|
081009
|
| |
... |
|
|
my name it means nothing
|
Not voting is not an act of civil disobedience because it is an invisible act. The politicians won't know you were making a statement, they'll just think, "oh another person who doesn't care, who I can truly screw over." Don't give up on US democracy. I admit it is sorta lousy, but we've never even seen it function properly. Don't call it a waste until we've seen an election where almost everyone votes. Then, see if politicians are still so dreadful. I bet they'd have to be better.
By not voting you only perpetuate the situation of an uninvolved public and unconcerned, corrupt politicians.
I'm not big on 3rd party voting...but it's better than nothing. It would be nice if you could save it for something less monumental than this presidential election though...
|
081009
|
| |
... |
|
|
auburn
|
How do you make your vote count, if you're not a conservative, AND you live in Stephen Harper's riding?
|
081009
|
| |
... |
|
|
z
|
vote loudly!
|
081009
|
| |
... |
|
|
epitome of incomprehensibility
|
Look at this statistically: assuming your government plays by the rules, your vote counts, if only slightly. I think the Canadian election system is a bit better than the American one, in that our votes aren't filtered through an electoral college... though we're technically voting for an MP (Member of Parliament), it also goes towards the federal government. One possible drawback, though, is that some independent MPs aren't actually represented by a federal candidate... so if you vote for them, you wouldn't be voting for a prime minister at all.
|
081010
|
| |
... |
|
|
oren
|
There_will_be a new U.S. political party emerging soon. A party for patriots. The idea began yesterday (10_9_08). Their three main issues: Borders, Language, and Culture.
|
081010
|
| |
... |
|
|
LEMON SODA RESPONDING
|
CHECK
|
081110
|
