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regarding the diatribe about robert_plant ;
i don't disagree that plant had it wrong... the music industry has never really had a conscience. the number of various music legends who sold millions of records and never saw more than mere pennies as a result of crooked contracting practices is what motivated (in my own opinion) a lot of artists to take what was their intellectual property and do with it as they chose, for good or ill
if the artists feel they must "sell-out" that is their prerogative as many of them (especially true of a lot of the artists and performers who were at the forefront of rock music in the early days) were royally screwed out of royalties and residuals by studios and labels who laid contractual claim to the songs (which was why a number of early rock classics were frequently farmed out for watered down cover versions - e.g. the Pat Boone covers of such artists as Little Richard to appease a segment of the markets that were afraid of what was at the time regarded as "race_music" )
and though both are something of travesties in their own right, i would rather hear the unaltered strains of "Rock and Roll" in a cadillac commercial than to hear the horror i heard a few summers back when Jimmy_Page authorized the usage rights to (and performed) "Kashmir" for a P-Whatever-the-fuck-he-calls-himself-this-week track on some braindead summer movie
(even as a fan of hip-hop, i was offended at the rape of a classic rock jam by someone whose lyrics couldn't flow if you gave that motherfucker a truckload of ex-lax)
Yeah, it sucks when good artists go so blatantly commercial. but people do crazy shit. sad to say.
ahh well, i suppose i had a point in here somewhere, but i think i lost it in the rant.
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if only i had the opportunity...
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The instant you sign your record contract...
You become a sell-out.
Thereby exchanging your artistic/musical talents for monetary compensation or "selling out" your soul... (because true art comes from your soul).
Maynard from TooL sums it all up very tastefully in his song
hooker_with_a_penis
If you had the PUREST_FORM_OF_ARTISTIC_INTEGRITY then you would be satisfied even if know one even knew about your talent... That integrity is corrupted by the desire to become famous of known for your talent.
Now, there are varying degrees of integrity which can be used to sort out the true_sell_outs from the needed_money_to_buy_heroin_sell_outs...
The true_sell_outs can be identified by their participation in any form of commercial advertisement...
For instance... when R.E.M. (who are very respectable as artists) sold the rights to their I_AM_SUPERMAN song to MICROSOFT for the use in television advertising... that is when they became super_sell_outs.
The movie soundtrack sell out is a fuzzy issue... I won't go there.
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An artist has sold out when he/she/they care more about their listeners than they do their own music.
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Oh Eyedream. I adore you but I couldn't disagree more. Although my industry is quite different, I still consider myself an artist, and my audience means everything to me. My favorite part of doing a show is meeting the audience afterward and seeing the gratitude on their little faces.
I am a puppeteer, in case you haven't read my blathes on the subject. Yesterday I performed at a summer camp for kids who have cancer. It's my second year at the same camp, and it's the most rewarding thing ever.
Making art for yourself is all fine and good, but I think most people want their art to be seen and heard and enjoyed.
I think a sellout is someone who COMPROMISES their art for their audience, or cares more about money than art.
That's just my opinion though, I could be off-base. Maybe caring more about the kids, because they are the reason I make art in the first place, makes me a sellout. But if so, I am both happy and proud to sell myself out.
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I meant, selling out is compromising your art for your listeners. (Usually because your listeners have money.)
I ought to have been more specific.
I am sorry.
I adore you too.
Why are there people here who don't?
wants to minor in fine art
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I think it's because I tend to raise the level of ztupiddom around here, and I contribute to the alliances and clicks by following certain blatherskites. There is a lot of negativity toward people like me, but I choose not to respond to them.
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'son, i didn't sell out; i cashed in' (sic)
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What's if the integrity of an artist DEPENDS on selling out? If someone writes a song called "It is Very Important to Be Rich and Popular" and then doesn't become so, wouldn't you say their message was compromised?
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I used to be concerned about this. But isn't it just whatever makes you happy?
A person's got to be making_money (unless you're dropping_out_of society) and why not do it in the most pleasant way.
Some artists would spend all their time in factories or behind cash registers if they couldn't make money making music. Good for them.
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Re my above idea: Lady Gaga, Fame.
Quite so. I've had "Bad Romance" stuck in my head for the past two days. And apparently it annoys one's friends and relatives when one goes around singing "You and me could write a literary essay" (La la la la la...)
My old friend Geoffrey Chaucer, topic of my (now completed! yay!) essay, has an interesting take on fame in one of his weirder and more obscure poems, The House of Fame.
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whoa... I just came across the score to "Fame" (from the musical) that I had to sing in high school. I don't like the actual song but... interesting.
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