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Show me some film footage with the smoldering wreckage of a crashed plane in Shanksville...
...and I'll show you the face of Me, actually beginning to believe this sorry sham.
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Plane crashes always leave debris. Except on Elevenths of September, apparently.
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crazy person is craaaaazy
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Bullshit Detectors fail to detect their own bullshit, apparently.
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Ad hominems mean nothing. Where is the debris? The lack of debris cannot be accounted for. Every other crashed plane left tons of debris, strewn all about. But not in the case of 93 or 77. Thus there is a hole in the official story. Your responce is to name call? LOL.
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the flight impacted at 563 miles per hour at a 40 degree nose-down, inverted attitude. the impact left a crater eight to ten feet deep, and thirty to fifty feet wide. they where digging parts of that fucking plane out of the damn ground with a backhoe.
there were witnesses that saw the plane in it's final moments.
debris WAS found at the site.
the flight recorder was recovered from the site.
the cockpit voice recorder was found buried 25 feet below the crater. (are you starting to get a grasp of the nature of the impact here?)
the first time the military was even notified about flight 93 was around 4 minutes AFTER the plane had already crashed.
hundreds were involved in the recovery and investigation of the site but somehow you must think that either they were ALL in on it or somehow they are all coerced into keeping quiet about the crash site.
you seem to think that someone or some organization is capable of orchestrating this elaborate plot but they can't get something as simple as airplane debris at the crash site.
"Flight 93 fragmented violently upon impact. Most of the aircraft wreckage was found near the impact crater. Investigators found some very light debris including paper and nylon scattered up to eight miles from the impact point in New Baltimore, Pennsylvania. Other tiny aircraft fragments were found 1.5 miles away at Indian Lake, Pennsylvania. All human remains were found within a 70 acre area surrounding the impact point. Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller was involved in the investigation and identification of the remains. As he walked through the wreckage, the only recognizable body part he saw was a piece of spinal cord with five vertebrae attached. Miller later found and identified 1,500 pieces of human remains totaling about 600 pounds, or eight percent of the total. The rest of the remains were consumed by the impact."
now rather than spreading rumors based on ignorance and misconception maybe you should do some research and study some reports from reputable sources.
http://www.archives.gov/legislative/research/9-11/staff-report-sept2005.pdf
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/13/bn.01.html
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/penn.attack/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A10206-2004Jul23?language=printer
http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight%20_Path_%20Study_UA93.pdf
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A56110-2002May8?language=printer
now of course in typical conspiracy theorist fashion you may tell me that I've been duped, that my sources have all been duped, or perhaps my sources are in on it too (which would be absurd).
so in conclusion, why is it that the crash site looks like a smoking crater with very little visible debris unlike most typical airliner crash sites? keep in mind that for the majority of crashes the pilot is attempting to slow the craft down and level off rather than fucking plowing into the earth at 500+ miles per hour!
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what you have yet to grasp is that most objections regard the incongruence of the "data". plus, most of those "cites" have nothing to do with such incongruencies, but let us deal with one which does.
per archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/penn.attack/
the plane, which was headed SE, nosedived into the ground sufficiently to bury itself: that is your stance.
yet debris was also somehow catapulted 3 miles E and 8 miles SE? well, which is it? sufficient force to bury the plane debris, or deflection of the plane debris back into the sky, some of it landing an incredible 8 miles away?
did it both bury itself and launch material far away? is that even possible?
where are photos of the engines? or for that matter, the recovered ANYthing?given the tens of millions of people who are suspicious, why not release photos? (similarly, why only 5 frames from the pentagon, of an undeniably blurry quality?)
why does the crash shape have no engine holes or a tailfin whole? how was such a crash, whose fuel MUST HAVE EXPLODED ON IMPACT, able to generate and sustain sufficient temperatures to so thoroughly incinerate so much of the plane?
other planes have crashed at full speed (e.g. ajaccio) and left debris strewn all around the crash site. why was this crash anomalous?
why do the passenger lists for these flights list no arabs? why did the coroners fail to identify the remains of any arabs?
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i'm not gonna persist. i've been through this before and so have you. we both know what the other thinks.
i'm not certain i am correct. but you, darling, are much too certain that YOU are. i know you are an academic, but how intellectual can you really be if you are so intolerant of others' questioning minds? furthermore, you seem misguided about the capacity of your responces to clear up these questions... that's ok, though. i understand. you feel the same way about me.
what i find especially humorous is that while i am not remotely angry with you for thinking what you think (baffled, but not angry) you are clearly angry that i think as i do. get over it, honey. there are intelligent minds on both sides of this debate and there is no harm in its being discussed. the real harm is in antagonistic attempts to shut down discussion.
finally, i never said anything about your being duped or fooled. you said those things. but now that you mention it, i can see why you feel that way. i probably would too, if i believed everything officialdom told me. :P
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im not your honey sweety pie
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oh yeah, being condescending is really far better than showing anger. it CLEARLY shows your intellectual superiority.
I noticed you questioned the whereabouts of photographic evidence of the engines and I do know that photos of the buried engine are easy to find. I haven't found photos of the second engine (the one that bounced away from the impact site) but it was confirmed by aviation crash experts consulted by Popular Mechanics that this isn't anything out of the realm of possibility. but I suppose that Popular Mechanics is in on this too.
the conspiracy approach only leads me to ask more questions.
if it were a conspiracy why not just bury two engines to pull out of the earth? why scatter them around?
if you were going to fake a crash site why would you make it so unusual?
how would you keep so many people quiet about it?
how would you get experts who weren't involved in the investigation to keep quiet if all of this were so impossible?
what did happen to the plane and passengers?
if the government had the plane or knew of it's location and was capable of keeping so many accomplices quiet then why not use the plane to generate more evidence if the official crash site was so unconvincing?
were reports of cellphone conversations with the passengers in their final moments and their intent to revolt faked? if so were all of the people who were involved in that coerced to tell that story?
eyewitnesses that saw the Boeing 757 flying low and saw the plane crash were coerced?
the cockpit recording of the terrorists conversations and the muffled sounds of the passengers' struggles were faked?
Tim Lambert who owns the land at the crash site reported that there were coin sized pieces of debris all over the site, was he duped or coerced as well?
experts from as far away as Texas were called in to help with the efforts in identifying what human remains could be found, if these remains weren't from the crash site then where did they come from?
the more I look at what it would take to fake this the more logical it seems that there was merely an unusual crash site rather than a conspiracy.
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