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Lucia Florina
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This is the clearest picture ever taken of Mars.
https://i.redd.it/bd8nopgsbw631.jpg
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The clearest picture ever taken of why space exploration is currently a vanity project.
https://downtownseattle.org/app/uploads/2020/10/Ballard-Commons-area.jpg
(Image courtesy of really bad leadership.)
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Barry Almo
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Dafremen, that's not the reason why at all ... It's because of the $$$Trillions wasted on Wars and Weaponry ...
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If we diverted those funds to terraforming Mars, it would still be a vanity project, for as long as we can't even tend to the basic needs of our own people.
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Steve Silvia
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Or maybe dafremen, like Barry said, it’s all about allocation.
Terraforming mars is arguably one of the greatest concepts in modern science, it isn’t a vanity project.
We can absolutely spend less on wars and issues that exist overseas.
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Big Dune fan here. If we can't figure out what we've done to mess this planet's ecosystems up so badly, what makes us think we won't do the same to Mars? Humanity's looking at Mars like someone who destroyed their home life, and now needs a change of scenery and another home to wreck. (Beam me up Scotty! We've made this place too grim.)
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Kevin Babcock
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Dafremen, I bet some of the materials and components of those tents probably came from space R&D.
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Or other tech. You might be right..hey NASA, thanks for the crumbs.
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Simon Watts
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Dafremen, in about 20 years, we run out of rare Earth elements. So all our tech becomes unavailable. That’s why old smart phones are already worth money. The only other source is the asteroids, so asteroid mining is now financially viable and necessary, thus the sudden drive to get into space. And if we stop investigating and researching our universe, we give up any advancement, any future.
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What's an advancement? Something that makes us feel cleaner and safer while it destroys millions of years of evolution?
Let's go repeat the cycle on another host..er planet. Works for viruses..
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Justin Jones
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Simon Watts the earth will rid humans before that happens
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Dean Hikok
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Dafremen,
You are confusing a highly localized governance failure, with science. If that thinking prevailed in human history, we would be isolated hunter/gathers frantically chipping away at our stones, foraging, and burying 1/2 of our children. While you may like that idea, evolution selected for a different path. Of course, if you gave a moment or two to informed and independent thought, you may eventually figure this out for yourself. The rest of us, wish you luck and hope you will join us in the future.
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I'm actually staring with pinpoint accuracy at a localized failure of our race to act sanely, while it ignores the evidence provided us by science.
A rational and productive member of ANY team, when new to a project, FIRST determines what the team is already working on, before attempting to contribute. WHAT WAS the universe up to before we started "creating the future?" Are we REALLY contributing to the evolutionary process? Or are we acting like a new manager who knows hardly anything, but changes up EVERYTHING, because they want to impress everyone with their mighty skills?
Some day, mister, you folks up on that high horse should put down the telescope, the microscope and the academic ego stroke..then come join us in the future.
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Shannon Caliendo
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Dafremen, imagine being the type of person who only has a one track mind and judges others for not thinking INSIDE the box like you. :DD
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Shannon Caliendo:
So what's it going to be? Doctor? Lawyer? Engineer? Mental Health professional?
Regardless of the profession, the vast majority are bound to come out unprepared for the real world; arrogant and immature. 10 years of hiring and firing employees has confirmed this.
But even the ancient Athenians knew that experts are unfit for leadership.
Academia's the box..climb out and see for yourself.
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[image of a T-shirt that says CAMP EGO, above the silhouette of a graduate's head backed by two canoe paddles with the motto: Vincimus Perdis at the bottom]
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David Wright
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Justin Jones It is starting to run a fever to get rid of the human virus it is inflicted with. 😃
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Ken Chambliss
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Dafremen, people need to be responsible for their own choices. Have you ever visited or volunteered to help the homeless? Drug use is the #1 reason they are where they are. We need better parenting not more excuses.
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Eric Brennan Hunt
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Ken Chambless you need to examine the reasons for the drug use. Drug use is not why they are where they are, it is whatever led to the drug use, that is what needs to be addressed. Look beyond the drugs and solve the problem
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Carol noble
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Eric Brennan Hunt you are correct. Many things can cause a person to become homeless. A Pat answer is no answer and an even sorrier excuse for blaming the victim.
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Ashley Apple
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Ken Chambless Drug use, when it occurs, is a symptom- not the cause. If you think “better parenting” would fix homelessness, then you know absolutely nothing about the issue.
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Ken Chambless,
Here's a true story, you tell ME how responsible our society's SUCCESS stories are being with their choices, ok?
While working as a software engineer for Caterpillar, I came across a conditional that had no place in engine code. The standard practice was to read sensors, throw the inputs into a lookup algorithm, fetch the output data and apply it to the outputs. That's it.
But this conditional stated that after 90 minutes, the code was to switch from one set of MAP (data)tables to a different set of MAP tables.
I asked my supervisor about it. (Nice farm kid from Kansas.) He was very matter-of-fact when he told me that it was to fool the EPA. For 90 minutes, we would run clean settings to please the EPA, then we'd switch to "black smoke" tables (yes they literally called them that) because the customer demanded POWER. Most truckers would never notice, since they warm their rigs up and keep them running.
Can you tell me which one of the well-parented success stories I worked with, is going to be made responsible for that choice?
I left my engineering career soon after. It was a disgusting and eye-opening revelation. No one's steering this ship that actually cares, sir. And THAT's why there are so many people struggling now.
We have no leaders..just people running hither and yon, chasing after money, power and "glory."
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Karina Guenther
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Dafremen actually, NASA does a lot of research into food production, water recycling and energy production. All of which has applications here on earth.
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True. But those are just crumbs that fall from the table, while they work on something unrelated.. There are people who insist on hurting the planet with their bad choices, because there's power in it. They need a back up plan(et.) They need a planet-sized Little St. James island.
But I do like clean drinking water..that isn't owned by Nestle or locked up in concrete.
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James Moore
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Karina Guenther if it wasn’t for NASA we wouldn’t have Cordless power tools, mylar, weather forecasts longer than 3-4 days, hurricane monitoring, tsunami warnings, satellite navigation, cell phones, and about 100 other everyday conveniences
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James Moore The GPS project was started by the U.S. Department of Defense in 1973.
If we think of NASA as a way of funneling civilian tax dollars into defense R&D, then whatever gain we get is incidental to their goals..mostly profit-related. For instance..
Up above, some kind person pointed out that we are running out of rare earth elements needed for a lot of those everyday -conveniences-. THAT, he claims, is the reason we have to explore space, in order to harvest asteroids. Because cell phones, computers, mylar balloons..and profits are more important to the human race than self-control.
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Frank DeLys
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In 1969, we didn't have this disgrace because we didn't encourage it. Yes, there was poverty, but the poor found homes and shelters off the streets, and criminals actually were arrested. And yet we sent the first men to the moon, allocated funds for the War on Poverty, and even balanced the federal budget.
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Frank DeLys,
The "War On Poverty" was a measure enacted to provide cover for the plundering of the economy. Without welfare, we would've noticed the theft sooner.
We've been getting tag-teamed by the DemoGops for over a century.
Good cop, bad cop.
They both transfer tax money to the private sector. One lowers LEGAL immigration walls to keep working people from getting leverage in the labor market. The other side blames illegals(who help farmers keep their farms out of developer hands) to cover up jobs lost to automation, legal immigration and outsourcing.
One side expands the welfare net to cover up the shrinking middle class economy. The other lowers regulations so they can drain that economy more effectively.
It's been quite a tag team match to watch. Meanwhile we all bickered at each other while they did it.
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I love science. I just wish we'd stop and determine who's in charge, and what they are trying to accomplish, instead of pointing our most brilliant minds wherever $$ and curiosity tell them to go.
Meanwhile, our biggest problems are greedy big money and corrupt government. Unfortunately, academia (and government) isn't pointed in the direction of solving those problems much. Why?
Because big money/government is the only sector that can enrich most academics and provide them with careers.
We have a severe conflict of interest and no one cares to do much about it, except be arrogantly dismissive, or argue with each other. Finally, those who DID suck up to big money will point fingers at the poor..because they're an easy scapegoat who fits the academic rhetoric of "winners and losers."
Meanwhile the real reason they're poor, is that they didn't (or couldn't) cuddle up to big money anymore.
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