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"If a traveler tripped over a rock in their path 700 years ago, and from this event altered the course of their life, we might conclude the rock was only incidental. But if that same rock trips thousands, through the centuries, each walking away with a different message and a different lesson, then can we call this incidental? When foolish people trip, they get up and walk away as if nothing happened. They learn nothing. A wise person will find a greater meaning for their fall. But a rock that trips travelers in every age, each time imparting a different meaning, that is not just a rock. That is God.
Many of the terms Rumi uses have a very different meaning in their Islamic context than they do in their Christian sense. For example, the word “faith” amongst many Sufis is much closer to what we might call “knowingness.” This is not the same as “belief,” which refers to how a person chooses to see things. The Quakers had a term known as “convincement” that expresses some of this, but still betrays too much of man’s choice in the matter. As Rumi uses the word “faith,” he is talking more about the effect of having experienced something that changes how we see life, than he is talking about having been sold on some doctrine.
Likewise, when Rumi refers to Islam, he is talking about The Way. He is not talking about the preconceived notions that people have about Islam today, or even in his day, but the spiritual path itself and the religious tradition. It is not always easy to understand this as Rumi meant it, just as Rumi’s use of Mohammed as the Prophet and Voice of God is easily interpreted as traditional belief, which is only the outward cloak of what Rumi is really saying. It is just this sort of blindness that Rumi is speaking to when he says, in discourse Seventy: “Wherever men or women put a big lock, that is a sign of something precious and valuable. Just like the snake that guards a treasure, do not regard what repels you, but look instead at the preciousness of the treasure.” - Doug Marmon
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phil
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pick up rock
kill snake
get +4 chain mail
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pedrolius
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does the size of the lock denote the preciousness of the treasure, or just how much the locker wants to protect that treasure from the world.
or does it even mean its a treasure in the eyes of the world, or just to the locker. the lock shows how much the thing inside is worth to the locker, or does it?
the locker might hate the thing inside and lock it up so the world cant see it. they might be trying to protect the world from it, in wich case, is this really a phisical lock? or something deeper. emotions, expressions, memorys, experiences... all locked away...
wil they ever be unlocked?
can they be unlocked?
if they can, who holds the key?
if they cant, who hid the key?
is there still a key?
was there ever a key?
how big is your lock...?
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most mysticists think of faith as a new mode of existence, a restructuring of your consciousness to be more aware of and in tune with the world you exist in. it is a claiming of existence. the name of the god seems irrelevant when the experience is so readily available, and the transformation that occurs so well verified by the lives of saints and mystics and buddhas.
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somnium
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And yet fish lead perfectly happy lives without faith
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pedrolius
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People dont have 3 second short term memorys. oh wow an empty bowl with a few pebbles in the botom..... oh wow an empty bowl with a few pebbles in the bottom.... oh wow an...
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somnium
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Ok from that I can conlude two points
a. Fish rock.
b. Fish rock.
I think I've made my point clear.
Bonus fact
Peoples short-term (operational) memories are much much shorter than 3s...
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