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it is a self contained paradox;
if 'nothing' exists, then there is 'something', thus there isn't actually 'nothing'
while the nihilists are desperate to convince us of the inevitable nothingness; and while the religious zealots threaten us with 'eternal nothingness' or worse if we are chronically naughty, or good but in a deferent manner;
it is worth observing that even if it came down to probability 'nothing' is a virtual impossibility:
every 'theory of everything' you can imagine has some degree of merit -
("no, it can't be," comes the cry from those whose power is based upon your view of existence, be they religious, philosophic, or scientific)
- so if you can imagine ten-thousand possible 'theories of everything' and amongst the ten-thousand is the theory that ultimately it is all but 'nothing', then there is a one-in-ten-thousand chance that 'nothing' in fact is a meritous concept
and since i have personally imagined a good ten-thousand-plus 'theories of everything' myself in this life, plus many more in other lives, were there in fact others;
and since you have doubtlessly imagined as many yourself, multiplied many times if you have lived prior to this life (conjecturally unprovable, nor disprovable);
and since there are billions of imagining humans (whose imaginations cannot be synchronized) with differing such theories;
and since the potential imagining of other earthly species cannot be ascertained but is probable;
there are so many 'theories of everything' that the notion it would all end in nothingness (nihilism, by some accounts) has a one-in-infinity chance of being accurate, were it to come down to chance (admittedly, it probably does not come down to chance; but if it did)
so 'nothing' is probably but a myth, in which case 'nothing' exists in a state of non-existence, a.k.a. 'nothingness';
thus 'nothing' does in fact exist, because 'nothing' exists in its own state;
thereby rendering 'nothing' to exist, which means it is not, in fact, 'nothing'. see above.
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you sure are
OH NO!
YOU JUST BECAME SOMETHING!
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if you were to replace nothing and nothingness with lack, the logical fallacy of your argument comes into stark relief. semantically, you are saying "because of the syntax of the assertion - nothing exists - a tautology is created and therefore something actually exists". this is like saying that cheese never was or time is not linear.
language is a programing language which is able to express irrational equations but not compute them. i think your shifting use of the verb "to be" is responsible for the fallacy. you seem to mean - nothing is an observable condition - (not directly true) and - we assume that nothing is a precondition for all other existence - (not provable and some might disagree). there is no way to measure zero. if i lack something, then i measure it's absence, not nothing.
i too love semantic play. language and syntax provide joy unrivaled by almost anything else. it is a source of drastic and beautiful strangeness.
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semantic fallacy
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semantics/syntax plays a large part in most arguments re: nothingness.
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empty propositions are frequently intellectually dishonest or not well thought through. for me, abstractions, no matter how formal their delivery, without being anchored through some principle of necessary connection or other means of concretion, are sometimes interesting, but ultimately devoid of usefulness. i treat them as essentially aesthetic. semantic fallacy is often used to attempt to admit unexamined assertions into discourse. in order to be useful, thought experiments must be subjected to the same rigors as other forms of experimentation. truth is a human construct, but ought not be arbitrarily constructed.
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"There is that dimension where there is neither earth, nor water, nor fire, nor wind; neither dimension of the infinitude of space, nor dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, nor dimension of nothingness, nor dimension of neither perception nor non-perception; neither this world, nor the next world, nor sun, nor moon. And there, I say, there is neither coming, nor going, nor stasis; neither passing away nor arising: without stance, without foundation, without support..."
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